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want to see a fiscal cliff deal. if it cuts the heck out of all kind of programs, then you can have a deal that is actually a real drag on the recovery as well. maybe not a recession, but a slower year than we otherwise would and slow growth. again, there's two percentage points in the payroll tax scheduled to increase on january 1. if you look at how negotiations are going, it looks like it's going to happen. the typical family's taxes by $1,000 over the course of a year. >> the final one, we are talking debt ceiling. you think the fiscal cliff thing is bad for the economy. you wait and see if they can't get the debt ceiling worked out. >> right. it's one thing to go over the fiscal cliff. that would be bad. we don't want to it happen. a recession may happen. it would be unfortunate. it's different than the u.s. defaulting on the debt. you know, we saw that back in august, 2011, we saw the downgrade of the credit rating. just by having the threat of not approving the debt ceiling increase and the possibility of default. it comes around again at the end of february, beginning of mar
and a whole suite of things that were part of the fiscal cliff that aren't going to be touched. we'll have the debt ceiling rehash, all of these things come back in the first couple of weeks. >> we have a timeline issue here, we just -- a few days away, things have to -- things don't move quickly in washington as we know. there are rules in both houses of when things can come up, how much time has to pass for debate. they have to change rules to get it through quickly. even if senate comes up with the deal. mcconnell and harry reid come up with the deal. they accept it to the house on sunday night, monday morning. what are the chances of them getting their ducks in a row, boehner getting his ducks in a row and us still being able to avoid the krif? >> right. we should have a better sense of that by tomorrow afternoon when they start to reconvene. speaker boehner made it clear at the meeting at the white house on friday, anything that the senate passes will be considered by the house, might be amended, might be changed a bit. has to go back to the senate quick for changes. but he said will
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